The Harvest Moon Consortium

[FONT="Courier New"]Bioware's were busy developing the game, and then guy #1 must have said: "uhm, we'll be roughly using only 60 categories in our item palette, because we like -very messy- palettes, but we know there are people who won't like our -very messy- way to organize them, so what are we going to use as ID values?"
And their boss replied: "well, if they don't like the way we organize our categories because they are -very messy-, why don't we find a way to mess up their work too? I suggest using a 8-bit string, so that they can only use the values we spare of the 256 available. No fancy and well organized palettes for them"
Then guy #2 said: "but aren't we supposed to be working on a game that will focus on custom content developing? Shouldn't we be trying to give the developers out there a good engine with plenty of options?"
And the boss again: "Nah, I love to mess up with our customers. Oh, now that I think of it, can you guys think of a few flaws to throw in the scripting language too?"

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If any of you guys is planning to create a rational layout for the palettes of your module (as I did, so that builders' and DMs' work is waaaay easier), well, be careful, we don't have that many available ID's


[edit] I don't know what happened to guy #2. Probably never existed[/FONT]

... Well it's "255" actualy... when you reach and enter 256 as an ID you get the windows *CLUNK* sound and the ID is reset to "0". :thumbdown

lol, 0-255 are in fact a total of 256 possible values
just like 0 and 1 are in fact a total of 2 possible values.
It's because they dedicated one byte to handle the ID entries















I agree, I hate binary code too

Well yeah, I get what you're saying. In fact I was creating my own Treasure categories to better manage and retrieve them when I found out about the 0-255 issue. And CEP uses up to 155 but I'm not sure at what number they start exactly. But having looked at the categories that the CEP team created... there is a large portion we could have done without. If the CEP/CEP Team is over and done with, someone should recreate a skinnier one for the CEP so that the rest of us can have are own without colliding with CEP.

As for CTP well... each Tileset has to have it's own... so no problem there.

[QUOTE=Lord Sullivan]As for CTP well... each Tileset has to have it's own... so no problem there.[/QUOTE]

Are you intending to deliver items with the CTP tilesets? I didn't know that. Shouldn't they be tested?

Also, how can you have a different item palette for each tileset? You would only be able to use one tileset per module otherwise one of the palettes would overwrite all the others, depending on the order of attaching the hakpaks?

[FONT="Courier New"]I am afraid that what CEP has done cannot easily be undone. Even if I edit their palettes to reduce the IDs they use to a minimum, all objects they created using their palettes would either require editing as well (to change the ID stored in each object file) or would end up in our personal palette categories, mixing up and messing up with our material.

It's once again my main issue with CEP. They released it like it was the ultimate custom expansion pack. But it's in fact intrusive, and further restricts the narrow range of options that Bioware provided us with

Furthermore, it'd be nice if CEP let us know what plans they have for the future. I would hate to see all the massive work I am doing for my PW to be ruined by a late CEP release where they decide to further expand their claims of ownership on NWN[/FONT]

[QUOTE=OldMansBeard]Are you intending to deliver items with the CTP tilesets? I didn't know that. Shouldn't they be tested?

Also, how can you have a different item palette for each tileset? You would only be able to use one tileset per module otherwise one of the palettes would overwrite all the others, depending on the order of attaching the hakpaks?[/QUOTE]

[FONT="Courier New"]I think he was referring to the tileset terrain palette.[/FONT]

[QUOTE=lord_rosenkrantz][FONT="Courier New"]I think he was referring to the tileset terrain palette.[/FONT][/QUOTE]

Ah. That's okay then. I was hoping I'd misunderstood.

Incidentally, the 255 limit also applies to generic doors (but not, thankfully, to tileset-specific ones). I've "bagged" 151..255 for ctp generic doors and about three-quarters filled that space but that still leaves 11..150 for doors from outside the CTP, so I hope not too many people will feel aggrieved.

[quote=OldMansBeard]Are you intending to deliver items with the CTP tilesets? I didn't know that. Shouldn't they be tested?[/quote]

CEP is poised to release placeables from Chandigar's sets. The LOK dungeon placeables are already in the CEP with I imagine the ships wheel needed for some of UX's airships.

We will not be anywhere near the placeable's or items. :thumbdown